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Governor talks immigration, property taxes
During his administration, Gov. Mitch Daniels has come to learn a lot about unpredictable weather, property taxes, immigration and the many other issues that affect the lives of Indiana residents.
But sitting at breakfast Thursday morning at The Townhouse Café (known as Betty's Townhouse to locals) in Seymour, there is one subject he says he knows even more about.
"I'm somewhat of an expert when it comes to biscuits and gravy," he said, offering his compliments to Townhouse owner Connie Stockhover. "And I would rate these in my top five."
Stockhover graciously thanked Daniels and refilled his mug with fresh-brewed coffee.
"Now that's all homemade, you know," she said of the meal, which included fried eggs, buttered toast, crisp strips of bacon and a tall glass of fresh, cold orange juice.
"I never would have thought otherwise," Daniels said, smiling.
Flooding
Fresh from signing a property tax relief bill Wednesday, Daniels was in high spirits and eager to talk to residents, from both Jackson and surrounding counties, and answer questions during his stop in Seymour, before heading southwest to areas near French Lick in Orange County to survey extensive damage from this week's flooding.
Daniels said he was aware of major flooding in Jackson County, and expected to declare disaster areas in some counties.
"I don't know for sure if that's what is going to happen, but I would expect so," Daniels said. "I'll be meeting with Homeland Security and state emergency officials to make that determination."
A decision could be made within the next few days, he added.
"It takes a few days to evaluate everything," he said.
By declaring a county a disaster area, residents will have the opportunity to apply for state-provided financial assistance in the form of low-interest loans, Daniels added.
Immigration
Local business owner Dan McDaniel of Seymour stopped by the Townhouse on Thursday to discuss with Daniels an issue he sees as a real problem in Jackson County - illegal immigration.
McDaniel said he is tired of seeing companies hire illegal immigrants and fed up with the state providing welfare benefits to them.
"The issue I have is the benefits these people are getting," he said.
Daniels said he agreed that illegal immigration is a concern not only in Jackson County, but across the state and country.
"I was surprised and disappointed that we didn't get a bill passed," Daniels said, referring to immigration bills presented by Sen. Mike Delph, R-Carmel, and Rep. Eric Koch, R-Bedford, that would have fined companies for knowingly employing illegal immigrants and cut off non-emergency public benefits to them.
One concern Daniels has, however, is the number of unfilled jobs that would be created by passing such legislature. He pointed out that Indiana has the lowest unemployment rate in the Midwest and the lowest the state has seen in the past six years.
"If they weren't there, are there people lined up to take those jobs?" Daniels asked McDaniel. "We have to use every employee we have."
Daniels said before the state can move much further on the issue, federal law "has to do more," and should "accommodate for temporary worker status."
"The problem traces back to federal failure," he said. "We need to find practical, real world solutions."
Property taxes
Many questions from those who attended the breakfast meeting, including local school and government officials, were about the new property tax relief bill passed last week - one Daniels said he is pleased with.
"It's about putting the tax payers first," he said of the main objective of the legislation, which will give tax cuts to homeowners this year and cap future bills. "We will now be adjusting government spending to what the tax payers can afford and not the other way around."
Daniels said the legislation will help those families facing foreclosure on their homes.
"I am happy on behalf of all taxpayers, especially those teetering on the edge of losing their homes," he said.
He also said the new legislation offers schools and local governments "huge opportunities to become more efficient," and put more money where it matters most.
"It's very manageable," he said of the future effect of the bill on schools and local governments, which rely on property tax money for funding. "There will be growth in funding, but it may be slow at first."
Lower property taxes will also make the state look good to businesses and investors, he added, and make home ownership more affordable.
Daniels said he valued the many months spent on trying to reach an agreement on property tax relief.
"I hope we look back on it as a healthy exercise in democracy," he said. "I think we have all learned a lot."
Iraq
Just one day after the fifth year anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Daniels also spoke briefly of Indiana's involvement in the war on terrorism, saying he "thinks about the soldiers every day" and will do all he can to support the Indiana National Guard now and in the future.
Welfare privatization
One last topic Daniels touched upon was the privatization of the state's welfare system.
"We have one of the worst welfare systems in the country," he said, citing that Indiana has the poorest record when it comes to getting people back to work and protecting children from abuse.
"Something had to change," he said. "By hiring IBM to oversee the administration of the program, we're trying to modernize it and make it more accessible and fair."
Staying in touch
When it comes to visiting various counties, Daniels said he feels it's important to hear the concerns directly from the people. He even stays overnight with local families instead of booking a hotel room.
"It started as a way to save money," he said of the practice, "But it's just become a part of what we do. I always say this is where we get our marching orders, and that is why I spend so much time traveling the state, to stay in touch with the people."
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| I disagree. No one did any homework. What does that even mean - "roads are for the common good." That's a meaningless statement. Roads are used by individuals and paid for by everyone. That's a public good. Public healthcare is used by individuals and paid for by everyone. There's no difference from an economic perspective. Silence, if you would stay out we could have a serious debate. |
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| David P. - Mar 29, 2008 11:21:15 PM | Remove Comment |
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| well someone almost did some homework! roads are a classified in economics as an impure public good, or more commonly as a Common Good. Just like entitlements. The public pays for them but individuals get use out of them. If you drive on a road, then you're getting individual use out of it. Keep up the research little buddy! YOU'RE DOING IT! |
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| he almost gets it! - Mar 29, 2008 09:31:31 PM | Remove Comment |
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| roads are for the common good, not an individual benefit, like entitlements. |
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| no to socialism - Mar 29, 2008 06:00:39 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Once some sort of guest worker program is in place then it would be a lot easier to keep tabs on these people and the government could even charge annual fees that can be used to offset the cost of ESL programs, etc. These people could also be made to pay fines, to repay back taxes or bills, and to even offer restitution to victims of identity theft. I dare say that a lot of the current illegal would go for something like this because they hate being here illegally and want to live normal lives. I am not saying that every one deserves to get a permit, and I know that there are a lot of them that need to be jailed or deported and hopefully a strong border security program that is not just a big dog and pony show like the ones being proposed by the DHS right now are would cut down the number of illegal entries. The fact that more people also would have more chances of coming in legally would discourage a lot of people from coming in illegally. I know that a lot of this goes against the feelings of a lot of you here and I don’t expect to get a lot of agreement with my ideas, but I am just trying to add to the conversation. |
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| tor - Mar 27, 2008 12:07:44 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Illegal immigration is a problem. I think we all agree on that point, but the issue is that there are two diametrically opposed camps that are not willing to even consider the possibility of a compromise, so nothing is going to get done. I refuse to believe the arguments used by a lot of the people that are against fixing our current system. If you believe them, most of these people would still not want to learn English, would end up using government assistance programs, would not integrate, and their children would not grow up as Americans. Most of these arguments have been used in the past to attack prior waves of immigrants that came to the US prior to our current Latino immigrants. We are dealing with the first generation of immigrants now, and of course a lot of them can’t speak English and still have very strong ties to their motherland. Their children are the ones that will start the process by virtue of growing up in the US and of being educated in the US. The thought that their kids have no chance of improving their station in life is ridiculous. By the time these kids have children, those kids will be as American as any other person in Seymour. The issue most of us have with the current bunch of illegal immigrants is that some of them don’t pay taxes but use government programs, that a lot of them drive without insurance or a driver license, and that some steal identities in order to get jobs. I would think that by granting some of these people some sort of work permit we could eliminate most of these problems and we could make it a lot easier for companies to have access to legal workers willing to do those low skill, low paying type jobs that so many American people don’t particularly feel like doing anymore. Please note I didn’t say that Americans can’t or won’t do them, I said they don’t feel like doing them. Big difference. |
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| Hec - Mar 27, 2008 12:06:57 PM | Remove Comment |
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| do my eyes deceive me or do we have a good ol' fashioned conversation going on here. Now that we zeroed in on the fact that we can't get greedy politicians to act in our best interest, here's one idea to add to the discussion - other states have a thing called ballot initiatives. It means that voters, all by themselves through petitions can get laws placed on the election ballot. The politicians hate it because it lets the people go around their backs and get things done with the legislature idiots sit on their butts for 20 years doing nothing. If there was someway to get ballot initiatives in Indiana that would be a huge step. I don't know what that involves though. I know they have it in Arizona and look what happened - the people go tired of waiting on the lawmakers to place laws on the people that hire illegals so the people created a law all by themselves. It got put on the ballot and then people voted in favor or it. TOO BAD POLITICIANS, WE DON'T EVEN NEED YOU ANYMORE. |
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| andy - Mar 26, 2008 11:59:57 PM | Remove Comment |
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| David P. Can you believe I actually agree with you my brother? I have nothing against illegal immigrants of any nationality, I do have a problem with them entering our country illegally, BUT! And that’s a big BUT! I could not say I wouldn’t do the same for me and my family if I lived in a place like Mexico with such a wonderful country right next to me and the legal process could take years to accomplish if you are even able to try! So once again it’s hard to blame the people when it’s so simple, easy and sometimes necessary to hop over the border and start a new life. If our companies and labor providers and government were not providing jobs and entitlements to illegal immigrants then they would not stay here plane and simple, it would not be worth the risk to come to America unless you were legal! But like David said the main reason we don’t see anything being done on that level is good old hard cash in the pockets of politicians! Oh yes the mighty gold coin it’s self! |
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| Bear - Mar 26, 2008 10:57:43 PM | Remove Comment |
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| As for illegal immigration, I do have a simple suggestion for that - start arresting the people that hire them. That's doing wonders in other states while Indiana sits on its collective thumbs and wonders what to do about it. But boo hoo, the legislators don't want to piss off their biggest money contributors. So then the problem is not illegal immigration, it's the people sitting at the statehouse getting fat off donations and then doing nothing to keep the donations coming in. That brings the problem down to one of motivation. You tell me how to motivate the people to vote out of office the people that refuse to do the simple task of cracking down on employers and you'll be an instant star. Apathy is the American way now. |
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| David P. - Mar 26, 2008 10:42:10 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Well you're wrong Joe, I don't beleive that about all of you. I only believe that about Silence. And other people are too quick to jump on his bandwagon instead of thinking for themselves. Bear listed an actual problem of society, Silence only lists things he doesn't like and then tries to convince people that it's also society's problem. Big difference there Joe. |
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| David P. - Mar 26, 2008 10:38:43 PM | Remove Comment |
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| David P., the original article spoke of the Governor's views on some of the challenges faced by the state of Indiana. Two of the issues he discussed were illegal immigration and property taxes. What are your views on property taxes and taxes in general? How about illegal immigration? I am interested in your point of view, whether I agree or not. We already know how you feel about Silence, Bear, myself and others. We are all unenlightened, knuckle-dragging, racist, xenephobic, homophobic HATERS that always belittle everyone but ourselves. OK, David, we get it! Now, move on to your solutions for property taxes and illegal immigration like the original article talked about. What, if anything, do you propose on these topics, David? |
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| Joe - Mar 26, 2008 10:29:10 PM | Remove Comment |
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| The other David P. is correct. By your definition of socialism, since the government takes my tax dollars to build roads that you use, that is socialism. What if I only ride a bike? Too bad, I'm paying for your nice paved roads. But on another note, I think I finally found out how to have meaningful debates on this site, and that is for Bear to comment and for Silence NOT to comment. He is only divisive and hateful and dogmatic. He's only interested in what he wants. On the other hand, I found Bear's last post very insightful when he said "The reason people are using it as a life style is not because they are leaches or scum it’s because its free and available to them with minimal effort so why not?" It's not hard to reason like that if you understand the concept of economic rationality, but that somehow escapes Silence. So Bear spelled out the problem quite nicely - the institution of welfare is flawed, not the people of this country. Now a civil debate may proceed. Please just stay out Silence so that it won't be derailed or co-opted for your master plans for us all. |
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| David P. - Mar 26, 2008 10:17:41 PM | Remove Comment |
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| first your definition of "socialism" is far to broad to be meaningful for any debate. according to you, anything other than pure capitalism is socialims, whereas in reality it is a continuum. One could just as easily say anything that is not pure socialism is capitalism and they would be just as wrong. But if you want an example of something that is further along the socialist side than the US, simply look at the European Union. Then look at the fact that the Euro has hammered the dollar until it's worth 50 percent more. 1 Euro used to be worth less than a dollar. They must be doing something right. |
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| DPP - Mar 26, 2008 10:04:11 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Please, please, please, FOR ONCE try to offer SOMETHING other than name calling. If I am offering disinformation, I have yet to see your facts that prove me wrong. David, I believe that a society that is forced through taxation to support others would fit the definition of Socialism, so please, show me a example of Socialism that is working. Notice how easy it is to not resort to name-calling, please try it. |
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| same old same old - Mar 26, 2008 09:18:55 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Ok, so I see the usual children are at it again with fighting and name calling instead of debating issues! So I do have a good question for the group! Please no name calling just your thoughts, opinions, facts and so on. I believe our current entitlement system is in big trouble do to the fact that so much of our tax dollars go to support them! The majority of people on welfare are there by choice that is a fact not my opinion, if you don’t think so then you need take a look around and open your eyes! The reason people are using it as a life style is not because they are leaches or scum it’s because its free and available to them with minimal effort so why not? I believe we need stronger controls such as drug testing, and you would have to provide proof that you’re attempting to find work and changing your life style to get back on your feet again! Simply put if you provide free dinners every day people learn to depend on them, and when the time come to stop people won’t know what to do! So what’s your opinion? |
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| Bear - Mar 26, 2008 08:22:17 PM | Remove Comment |
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| lol, that's pretty right-on David. you forgot another couple logical gems from silence, A. if you disagree with me, B. you are a liberal. and also A. if you can list any ill in society, B. fairtax will fix it. LOLOL, too funny. that guy is totally a broken record of lies and disinformation. |
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| andy - Mar 26, 2008 06:42:59 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Of course you're starting to be convinced of that Silence. Because you are incapable of reasoning properly, you often come to false conclusions. I wouldn't expect any less of you. It's just like religous reasoning - if A. the bible said it, then B. science must be wrong. That's called Silence-type reasoning. If A- David believes that societies that support each other are the most competitive in the global political-economy, then B- David must be an out-of-work bum, leeching off welfare. That about sum up your "simple" logic? OK back to your Dr. Suess books. |
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| David P. - Mar 26, 2008 06:37:06 PM | Remove Comment |
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| David P., I’m really starting to be convinced that you are on the receiving end of our tax dollars as passionately as you defend them. Otherwise, are you really that obtuse or are you just choosing to bury your head in the sand? I see that the typical group of debate cowards has removed a post I had put up stating many of the impending crisis, so I will review some of them. Again, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme heading towards failure, the baby boomers are beginning to retire and will quickly overwhelm Medicare, which, at the current rate will be done in about 10 years, more than half of the children born in the state are paid for by Medicaid, school costs for children from broken homes are going through the roof, and almost half of our state budget goes towards Medicaid. People were losing their homes up north due to out-of-control property tax increases, why do you think so much attention is being paid to them right now? These are facts David, not just my opinion, and you can hate my message all you want, but that won’t change a thing. Unless we start getting a handle on entitlements, WHICH ARE SO MUCH OF THE BUDGET AND INCREASING, it will get very bad. To the editor, I guess I am crying again, as a non-threatening post has been gang tagged. |
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| shooting fish - Mar 26, 2008 06:15:41 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Just checking back to see if any non-dillholes showed up yet. Looks like that's a no. OK, back to work. |
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| nimrods too - Mar 26, 2008 05:04:58 PM | Remove Comment |
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| I disagree. When the government steals my money and then gives it to some poor single mother that can't keep a roof over her and her children, that is not just my problem. That is all of society's problem, because if I'm not happy, I'll make sure no one else is happy either. Think about that. |
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| Silence Dogood - Mar 26, 2008 04:52:36 PM | Remove Comment |
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| Well Joe, first maybe you can try to formulate a description of what you think is an actual problem. Not a sentance about something in society that pisses you off. Not some vague claim of impending doom based on total BS. List something that we can all agree is an actual problem facing society, then and only then we can move on to possible solutions. Here's a hint, saying "people use welfare that's funded by my tax dollars" is not a problem. Saying "people on welfare are blood sucking leeches." is not a problem. |
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| David P. - Mar 26, 2008 04:43:02 PM | Remove Comment |
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